The trade off of perceived effort vs production.

[bpj]

Really just highlights how little a glove matters if a player has a bat.

The only position I'd even think about defense is probably SS.

And thats still only if the bats were equal on two players to choose between.

I'd roll with 10 Edgar's if I could.

Then I'd win, 40-20.

I hope you arent implyig Edgar was a poor defensive player. He wasnt moved to full time DHing because of his defense. It was because of his injury risk.

I'm implying I couldn't care less about his defense.

I'd have put him at shortstop and center field if I had extra Edgars and nowhere else to put him.

[Donn Beach]

Okay, just physically i don't think he could do it. He'd pop a hammie trying to play the outfield. Be hobbling after balls all day. But there could be other possibilites, how about Scwarber? Im assuming hes healthy, he could possibly play all the outfield positions.

[Donn Beach]

I think you nailed it with perceived effort. Its really no different than getting on Robinson Cano for not running out infield outs. Fans want to see effort

Exactly.

You think I'd give 2 fucks if Julio was a massive giggle monster if he was hitting .300/.400/.600 with 25 bombs?

Hell no. He could wear a fkn clown suit in CF.

Ok, and you werent dumping on Cano for jogging to first base either then. I didnt mind it, but it seemed like a lot of the forum did

[bpj]

Okay, just physically i don't think he could do it. He'd pop a hammie trying to play the outfield. Be hobbling after balls all day. But there could be other possibilites, how about Scwarber? Im assuming hes healthy, he could possibly play all the outfield positions.

We're going to score enough runs every night that he'd only have to catch balls right at him anyways. Most guys get themselves out.

[Donn Beach]

But you arent going to find enough Egars at one time to field a team in the first place. Do you think there are guys that can rake that arent getting a chance because of their defense? You can believe offense is a lot more important than defense but you still have to find the guys that can hit.

Who would be the top eight hitters right now ignoring defense. Could you put a team together without spending a great deal of money that could win with overwhelming defense?

[bpj]

But you arent going to find enough Egars at one time to field a team in the first place. Do you think there are guys that can rake that arent getting a chance because of their defense? You can believe offense is a lot more important than defense but you still have to find the guys that can hit.

Who would be the top eight hitters right now ignoring defense. Could you put a team together without spending a great deal of money that could win with overwhelming defense?

Sure, sorting by worst defenders, I'll pick a cheap, unbeatable Defense Shmefense team.

DH: Yordan Alvarez, 1.059 OPS, 186 wRC+, $19M
C: Ben Rice, .971 OPS, 166 wRC+, $800k
1B: Yandy Diaz, .888 OPS, 148 wRC+, $9M
2B: Luis Arraez, .809 OPS, 127 wRC+, $12M (and he's all of a sudden not even a bad defender anymore, lol)
SS: Nick Kurtz, .902 OPS, 148 wRC+, $800k
3B: Junior Caminero, .927 OPS, 152 wRC+, $800k
LF: James Wood, .985 OPS, 166 wRC+, $800k
CF: Bryan Reynolds, .877 OPS, 143 wRC+, $13M
RF: Jordan Walker, .886 OPS, 143wRC+, $800k

Total of $58M, not sure what this exercise proves.

[Donn Beach]

But you arent going to find enough Egars at one time to field a team in the first place. Do you think there are guys that can rake that arent getting a chance because of their defense? You can believe offense is a lot more important than defense but you still have to find the guys that can hit.

Who would be the top eight hitters right now ignoring defense. Could you put a team together without spending a great deal of money that could win with overwhelming defense?

Sure, sorting by worst defenders, I'll pick a cheap, unbeatable Defense Shmefense team.

DH: Yordan Alvarez, 1.059 OPS, 186 wRC+, $19M
C: Ben Rice, .971 OPS, 166 wRC+, $800k
1B: Yandy Diaz, .888 OPS, 148 wRC+, $9M
2B: Luis Arraez, .809 OPS, 127 wRC+, $12M (and he's all of a sudden not even a bad defender anymore, lol)
SS: Nick Kurtz, .902 OPS, 148 wRC+, $800k
3B: Junior Caminero, .927 OPS, 152 wRC+, $800k
LF: James Wood, .985 OPS, 166 wRC+, $800k
CF: Bryan Reynolds, .877 OPS, 143 wRC+, $13M
RF: Jordan Walker, .886 OPS, 143wRC+, $800k

Total of $58M, not sure what this exercise proves.

What does saying you could win with a roster of Edgars prove? I thought you were saying you could beat the system by focusing on just offense, one dimensional players lets call them. Im saying play GM. Put together a roster of players that you would consider under valued because they are hit only. Im trying to put your edgar premise into action. Im not talking about the best young players under team control. Im talking about under valued because of their defense. Like Beane did with obp. Isnt that what you are getting at, market inefficiency?

[Seattle or Bust]

I think you nailed it with perceived effort. Its really no different than getting on Robinson Cano for not running out infield outs. Fans want to see effort

Exactly.

You think I'd give 2 fucks if Julio was a massive giggle monster if he was hitting .300/.400/.600 with 25 bombs?

Hell no. He could wear a fkn clown suit in CF.

Ok, and you werent dumping on Cano for jogging to first base either then. I didnt mind it, but it seemed like a lot of the forum did

Absolutely not. The guy put up like 25 WAR as a Mariner. He could walk to first on a routine grounder for all I care. Austin Jackson or Brad Miller though? They better get their asses in high gear on any ball they rarely made contact with.

Also, people who call the Cano trade a "failure" are utter loons.