Yes! It is happening. The first Dude in the WNBA?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

"I am trans-gender, identifying as a woman for the benefit of basketball"

Fucking funny.

[gil]

I had a near-argument last week with a friend who believes that transgender women should be allowed in women's sports. We agreed that a 20-something or 30-something guy can't simply say "I am a transgender woman" and qualify. Her position is that there has to be some period of time with hormone replacement therapy (including testosterone-suppression therapy). I argued that if a biological male goes through puberty, that person should not be allowed in women's sports. She does not agree. I guess she thinks that the hormone therapy overcomes the effects of male puberty.

For some reason, she thinks that my position is "anti-trans." I think she is not seeing any subtlety to the issue, that it is all or nothing. I think it is ok for trans people to be accepted and legally protected (I should say, more than ok - I support acceptance and protections), but I don't think they should be able to automatically have all the privileges of their "new gender."

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

I DO NOT ACCEPT any special protections for ANY groups in America no matter what sex, religion, gender or race they are (or claim to me), including but not limited to:
Gay
Islam
Trans
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow

Do you get my drift?

[gil]

I DO NOT ACCEPT any special protections for ANY groups in America no matter what sex, religion, gender or race they are (or claim to me), including but not limited to:
Gay
Islam
Trans
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow

Do you get my drift?

Are you saying that it is ok to discriminate against people because they are in one of these groups? I don't know if special protection is the right term, but what I mean is that it should be, for example, [1] illegal to discriminate against a white person in hiring for a job, and [2] illegal to discriminate against a trans person who wants to eat at a restaurant.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

I DO NOT ACCEPT any special protections for ANY groups in America no matter what sex, religion, gender or race they are (or claim to me), including but not limited to:
Gay
Islam
Trans
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow

Do you get my drift?

Are you saying that it is ok to discriminate against people because they are in one of these groups? I don't know if special protection is the right term, but what I mean is that it should be, for example, [1] illegal to discriminate against a white person in hiring for a job, and [2] illegal to discriminate against a trans person who wants to eat at a restaurant.

Gil, you should know me better than that!! You already know that I am an "even-Stephen" type of guy.... every citizen in this country has the same rights and liberties.

But to answer your [absurd] question; Any discrimination is wrong. Having special laws to protect "special groups" is discriminating against the general population as it gives these 'special people' a boost over the general population.

There are enough laws protecting the general public, which is were we all are... nobody needs special laws to help them.

[D-train]

I DO NOT ACCEPT any special protections for ANY groups in America no matter what sex, religion, gender or race they are (or claim to me), including but not limited to:
Gay
Islam
Trans
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow

Do you get my drift?

Are you saying that it is ok to discriminate against people because they are in one of these groups? I don't know if special protection is the right term, but what I mean is that it should be, for example, [1] illegal to discriminate against a white person in hiring for a job, and [2] illegal to discriminate against a trans person who wants to eat at a restaurant.

Gil, you should know me better than that!! You already know that I am an "even-Stephen" type of guy.... every citizen in this country has the same rights and liberties.

But to answer your [absurd] question; Any discrimination is wrong. Having special laws to protect "special groups" is discriminating against the general population as it gives these 'special people' a boost over the general population.

There are enough laws protecting the general public, which is were we all are... nobody needs special laws to help them.

Exactly. There was a time that they were needed but not in the last 50 years or so yet the grifters still want to keep it going....

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Thank you DT.

[D-train]

I have probably posted this before but saying that requiring voter ID for ALL voters is Jim Crow 2.0 is a complete abomination and any Democrat that uses that phrase should be Censured. Imagine if you were an elderly black person that had to endure these actual horrific Jim Crow 1.0 laws and now seeing them equated to simply needing ID to Vote. Just disgusting.

Nurses: No person or corporation shall require any white female nurse to nurse in wards or rooms in hospitals, either public or private, in which negro men are placed. Alabama

Buses: All passenger stations in this state operated by any motor transportation company shall have separate waiting rooms or space and separate ticket windows for the white and colored races. Alabama

Railroads: The conductor of each passenger train is authorized and required to assign each passenger to the car or the division of the car, when it is divided by a partition, designated for the race to which such passenger belongs. Alabama

Restaurants: It shall be unlawful to conduct a restaurant or other place for the serving of food in the city, at which white and colored people are served in the same room, unless such white and colored persons are effectually separated by a solid partition extending from the floor upward to a distance of seven feet or higher, and unless a separate entrance from the street is provided for each compartment. Alabama

Pool and Billiard Rooms: It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards. Alabama

Toilet Facilities, Male: Every employer of white or negro males shall provide for such white or negro males reasonably accessible and separate toilet facilities.

Mental Hospitals: The Board of Control shall see that proper and distinct apartments are arranged for said patients, so that in no case shall Negroes and white persons be together. Georgia

Intermarriage: It shall be unlawful for a white person to marry anyone except a white person. Any marriage in violation of this section shall be void. Georgia

Barbers: No colored barber shall serve as a barber [to] white women or girls. Georgia

Burial: The officer in charge shall not bury, or allow to be buried, any colored persons upon ground set apart or used for the burial of white persons. Georgia

Restaurants: All persons licensed to conduct a restaurant, shall serve either white people exclusively or colored people exclusively and shall not sell to the two races within the same room or serve the two races anywhere under the same license. Georgia

Amateur Baseball: It shall be unlawful for any amateur white baseball team to play baseball on any vacant lot or baseball diamond within two blocks of a playground devoted to the Negro race, and it shall be unlawful for any amateur colored baseball team to play baseball in any vacant lot or baseball diamond within two blocks of any playground devoted to the white race. Georgia

Parks: It shall be unlawful for colored people to frequent any park owned or maintained by the city for the benefit, use and enjoyment of white persons...and unlawful for any white person to frequent any park owned or maintained by the city for the use and benefit of colored persons. Georgia

Wine and Beer: All persons licensed to conduct the business of selling beer or wine...shall serve either white people exclusively or colored people exclusively and shall not sell to the two races within the same room at any time. Georgia

[douche]

Any discrimination is wrong. Having special laws to protect "special groups" is discriminating against the general population as it gives these 'special people' a boost over the general population.

Agreed. Although there are so many people out there now who think they're 'special' and deserve special treatment.

On a related note, I just can't get my head around the victim mentality. Who hasn't experienced anxiety (or depression or any other cocktail of emotions) on some level? So what do you do? You fight through it and move on. Yes, there are extreme cases, but most of us are going through some kind of shit every day. And yet we keep going.

Nobody said life was easy. Creating a bunch of 'special' laws only makes the average person softer. Sometimes (most of the time) ya just gotta man up.

[gil]

I DO NOT ACCEPT any special protections for ANY groups in America no matter what sex, religion, gender or race they are (or claim to me), including but not limited to:
Gay
Islam
Trans
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow

Do you get my drift?

Are you saying that it is ok to discriminate against people because they are in one of these groups? I don't know if special protection is the right term, but what I mean is that it should be, for example, [1] illegal to discriminate against a white person in hiring for a job, and [2] illegal to discriminate against a trans person who wants to eat at a restaurant.

Gil, you should know me better than that!! You already know that I am an "even-Stephen" type of guy.... every citizen in this country has the same rights and liberties.

But to answer your [absurd] question; Any discrimination is wrong. Having special laws to protect "special groups" is discriminating against the general population as it gives these 'special people' a boost over the general population.

There are enough laws protecting the general public, which is were we all are... nobody needs special laws to help them.

Apologies if I post essentially the same thing twice. I just wrote up something that disappeared.

WallaWalla, Yes you are, and I value our discussions here. I'm not questioning your values, but I'm trying to get at something that I may not be expressing well. When you say "any discrimination is wrong", it sounds perfect, like something we should all agree to. But the way it is put into practice (by law, I mean) I don't think it's clean cut.

Example: I need to hire several people for my business. In walks a guy with a bow tie. I have had bad associations with bow tie wearers. I don't hire him for that reason, even though he is perfectly qualified. As far as a know this is NOT illegal (even though I admit I am discriminating).

Next, in walks a white guy. I have had bad associations with white people. I don't hire him for that reason, even though he is perfectly qualified. As far as a know this IS illegal, because federal (and at least in Washington) state laws don't allow me to discriminate on the basis or race.

So do you think I should (legally) be prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race? I do. Is this protecting a "special group" or is it protecting the general public? (Just please don't tell me I have to hire bow tie guy. lol)