12 games to go GT 9/14

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by gil » Tue Sep 15, 2026 3:56 pm

Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 3:49 pm
Southpaw773 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 3:56 am
I thought Anderson was gonna be good but nope
Now I am not be best baseball mind on these boards, so I may be wrong, but my opinion is:

Anderson is a finesse pitcher that has a below average 4-seam fastball, but for some reason they keep calling him to throw it.

His changeup, curve and slider are all better than his 4-seam.

The club is trying to change him into the EXACT SAME pitcher that we already have 4 of....which explain why the staff is giving up so many hits this season.

Right handed 4-seam pitchers.... all from 95-97 mph average.
Interesting analysis. It doesn't seem like proper player development to try to make everyone the same. (It seems I read something similar about their approach to developing hitters.) It seems that it would make more sense to build on strengths of each individual.

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Tue Sep 15, 2026 4:42 pm

All except for Anderson are right handed.
All are power pitchers with a fast ball mid to upper 90's
All concentrate on 4-seam

Anderson's fastball tops out at 94.

It's great to have a left handed pitcher to break things up, but his go to pitch doesn't seem to be a 94 mph 4-seam.
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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 15, 2026 4:55 pm

I believe the four seamer is his primary pitch, but he needs excellent location. There's the deal with walks, he's been issuing too many walks hasn't he? The execution isn't there. There's the deal with the different sized ball?

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by Hy Feiber » Tue Sep 15, 2026 5:50 pm

Not playing Montes every day is retarded.

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Sep 15, 2026 5:52 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 4:55 pm
I believe the four seamer is his primary pitch, but he needs excellent location. There's the deal with walks, he's been issuing too many walks hasn't he? The execution isn't there. There's the deal with the different sized ball?
No, his walk percentage is fine. He's giving up a few too many hits is the issue.

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:11 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 5:52 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 4:55 pm
I believe the four seamer is his primary pitch, but he needs excellent location. There's the deal with walks, he's been issuing too many walks hasn't he? The execution isn't there. There's the deal with the different sized ball?
No, his walk percentage is fine. He's giving up a few too many hits is the issue.

It's the combination, he's running a 7.48% walk rate so far? That's not bad in terms of league average but he was at a 3.9% rate in the minors. With the way he pitches he can't be giving free passes

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:34 pm

The team was doomed from the get-go when JP somehow got thrown out at the plate in the first inning. There was no doubt that Arozarena's hit was going to drop in so JP got a great jump. He was already well around third as the relay throw bounced in to Neto, and yet he still was hosed. Dude is the slowest skinny black guy on the entire planet.

And then in the bottom of the first, on a double hit down the left field line, Trout scored easily from first base.

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:37 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:11 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 5:52 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 4:55 pm
I believe the four seamer is his primary pitch, but he needs excellent location. There's the deal with walks, he's been issuing too many walks hasn't he? The execution isn't there. There's the deal with the different sized ball?
No, his walk percentage is fine. He's giving up a few too many hits is the issue.

It's the combination, he's running a 7.48% walk rate so far? That's not bad in terms of league average but he was at a 3.9% rate in the minors. With the way he pitches he can't be giving free passes
The difference in walk rates is attributable to MLB hitters having better strike zone judgement and not chasing as much. What he was doing at AA was never going to translate directly to MLB. If you think about it, over the course of a game, two or three whiffs at pitches out of the zone that he gets at AA but doesn't get in the majors is where those extra walks and hits come from, forcing him to pitch more aggressively in the zone. Similar to pitch framing, where a good framing catcher can "steal" 1 or 2 extra strikes in a game, it changes the entire dynamic between the pitcher and the hitter.

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Re: 12 games to go GT 9/14

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:45 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2026 6:34 pm
The team was doomed from the get-go when JP somehow got thrown out at the plate in the first inning. There was no doubt that Arozarena's hit was going to drop in so JP got a great jump. He was already well around third as the relay throw bounced in to Neto, and yet he still was hosed. Dude is the slowest skinny black guy on the entire planet.

And then in the bottom of the first, on a double hit down the left field line, Trout scored easily from first base.
I wonder how many times Mariner hitters have been thrown out at the plate this year and how that compares to other teams. I would guess there have been 4 or 5 of these this year.

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