USA HAS THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE..!

[D-train]

Good job guys at being civil. I respect both of your opinions.

[DanielVogelbach]

Illegal Immigrants and certain minorities create MORE than their share of our problems. We do not need to bring any more people into the USA..we already have more than twice as many people as we need in order to be prosperous.
You are the one with the simple propagandized view if you disagree. Some of our minorities [the more intelligent, less violent ones] create LESS than than what the "going rate" is for our problems.
The Illegal Aliens have no legit business being in our country and you are a traitor to your own people if you think they do.

My view on illegal aliens is "why did they come across illegally?" If the answer is because they're involved in a crime syndicate, then of course I'm against their presence in our free society. However, if their motivation is purely to seek employment, then I don't care if they "take away" a job from a native white person. In my view, that's fair competition. At that point, I'm questioning why they aren't citizens or green card or whatever. I honestly don't have that much of an in depth understanding of why a person would choose to cross illegally if they're not involved with crime, but I'm assuming it just has to do with avoiding wait-times and bureaucracy; please correct me if I'm wrong. If it's not easy to cross the border legally, then I don't view the legality of their presence as relevant. I'm reminded of prohibition laws against things like alcohol, marijuana, and abortion. If you make breathing illegal, then everyone is a criminal.

That being said, it's clear that immigration is a giant contributor to urban crowding and population growth. I just don't carry the same gloom and doom outlook regarding either aspect of modern life. What's more, I see that the issue has become hyper politicized like abortion where everyone has a strong stance. I've never once said that we need immigrants to function as a nation. In fact, it may absolutely be true that reducing the numbers of immigrants would improve life. It's just not a major, overarching theme for me. To the contrary, I think it would be cool if I didn't feel like I had to stay inside the USA to be safe and I could freely and openly travel across the globe where a decentralized global currency has reduced the power of the state to even impose things like borders, sanctions, threat of war, etc.

[Moe Gibbs]

When ever I read your thoughts I'm reminded of the old saying "EASY COME...EASY GO". Your Forefathers who fought so hard to create a great society would be disgusted to see their pampered and overindulged, White Guilt Brainwashed Offspring so eager to give big chunks of it away to Outsiders who have proven incapable of creating their own great societies
The deliberate insertion of millions of Illegals into EVERY WHITE RULED NATION ON EARTH didn't just happen on it's own. Too bad you don't subscribe to this "conspiracy theory"..but NOTHING of this scale ever happens on it's own. It's all part of a Globalist Agenda to "Balkanize" every WRN on Earth, with it's easy to predict negative consequences for the Host Populations.
It takes a totally brainwashed [[[fill in the appropriate descriptors here]]] to be OK with this. Fact is that the "I AM A Globalist Citizen Of The Earth" brainwashing campaign first took place with the Boomers and then picked up momentum with each mass media brainwashed wave of White Guilt infused Sheeple that followed. This is how they paved the way to gain the acceptance of Their Goyim Flock.
BTW..those who are in control do not subscribe to ANY of the self defeating nonsense [in their private lives] that they have soaked into your brain via all forms of their mass media empire.

[DanielVogelbach]

When ever I read your thoughts I'm reminded of the old saying "EASY COME...EASY GO". Your Forefathers who fought so hard to create a great society would be disgusted to see their pampered and overindulged, White Guilt Brainwashed Offspring so eager to give big chunks of it away to Outsiders who have proven incapable of creating their own great societies
The deliberate insertion of millions of Illegals into EVERY WHITE RULED NATION ON EARTH didn't just happen on it's own. Too bad you don't subscribe to this "conspiracy theory"..but NOTHING of this scale ever happens on it's own. It's all part of a Globalist Agenda to "Balkanize" every WRN on Earth, with it's easy to predict negative consequences for the Host Populations.
It takes a totally brainwashed [[[fill in the appropriate descriptors here]]] to be OK with this. Fact is that the "I AM A Globalist Citizen Of The Earth" brainwashing campaign first took place with the Boomers and then picked up momentum with each mass media brainwashed wave of White Guilt infused Sheeple that followed. This is how they paved the way to gain the acceptance of Their Goyim Flock.
BTW..those who are in control do not subscribe to ANY of the self defeating nonsense [in their private lives] that they have soaked into your brain via all forms of their mass media empire.

There's no concept of the Democratic Republic of the Congo failing to create a great society. It's slavery. The globalization has essentially already been in play for decades. Most of our textiles come from China. International Monetary Fund. World Wide Web. Petro dollars. The concept of being an Earth Citizen is a good one if we're bonded by something other than an authoritarian government / central bank / war machine.

Clearly in the USA the impact of immigration is hyper-politicized. There's no doubt they increase population and urban crowding. But, I scoff at the idea that they're responsible for the woes we currently face. (poverty, sickness, debt, war)

[Moe Gibbs]

There's no concept of the Democratic Republic of the Congo failing to create a great society.

Please go into further detail.

[DanielVogelbach]

There's no concept of the Democratic Republic of the Congo failing to create a great society.

Please go into further detail.

just the concept of tyranny / slavery. I should rephrase that there's always a concept of rebellion and freedom. The challenge is always in organizing it. If the entire country stormed the white house, we could overtake it. This is the challenge of rule by many over few - they have to provide enough "bread and circuses" to prevent the masses from questioning the system. I've also heard the phrase that we're always "3 meals away from revolution"...

[Moe Gibbs]

just the concept of tyranny / slavery. I should rephrase that there's always a concept of rebellion and freedom. The challenge is always in organizing it. If the entire country stormed the white house, we could overtake it. This is the challenge of rule by many over few - they have to provide enough "bread and circuses" to prevent the masses from questioning the system. I've also heard the phrase that we're always "3 meals away from revolution"...

We already have more people in the USA than we need. Especially immigrants, with a low estimate of 10 million Hispanics. Let the rest of the world figure their own problems out, it's time to stop importing more competition for jobs, housing, space on our roads, room in our prisons, space in our land fills, etc.
Reducing our population solves problems and growing our population ALWAYS creates new problems.

[DanielVogelbach]

just the concept of tyranny / slavery. I should rephrase that there's always a concept of rebellion and freedom. The challenge is always in organizing it. If the entire country stormed the white house, we could overtake it. This is the challenge of rule by many over few - they have to provide enough "bread and circuses" to prevent the masses from questioning the system. I've also heard the phrase that we're always "3 meals away from revolution"...

We already have more people in the USA than we need. Especially immigrants, with a low estimate of 10 million Hispanics. Let the rest of the world figure their own problems out, it's time to stop importing more competition for jobs, housing, space on our roads, room in our prisons, space in our land fills, etc.
Reducing our population solves problems and growing our population ALWAYS creates new problems.

I see it more from a view of abundance and so far everything has scaled out. We just add new cities, neighborhoods, sports teams, hospitals, etc. We are nature taking its course. Equilibriums are always achieved. People are getting rich.

The main detriment I see with immigration is urban crowding, but in the age of population growth there have certainly been tremendous technological advancements - I would say human history itself ALWAYS creates new problems, but also amazing ideas - more people equals more ideas, especially in a society where people are free to think! I blend it all together and while I think today is the greatest time in history to be alive, it doesn't really matter, because God didn't give me a choice. Namaste.

[Moe Gibbs]

I see it more from a view of abundance and so far everything has scaled out. We just add new cities, neighborhoods, sports teams, hospitals, etc. We are nature taking its course. Equilibriums are always achieved. People are getting rich.

The main detriment I see with immigration is urban crowding, but in the age of population growth there have certainly been tremendous technological advancements - I would say human history itself ALWAYS creates new problems, but also amazing ideas - more people equals more ideas, especially in a society where people are free to think! I blend it all together and while I think today is the greatest time in history to be alive, it doesn't really matter, because God didn't give me a choice. Namaste.

Every time I see a forested hill around here stripped bare and turned into a 200 unit, roof top to roof top McMansion complex or a 200 acre corn field turned into another 2000 unit Renter's Ghetto , with another 1000 cars to wait in line with every day... I think of people like you who just don't get it.

[DanielVogelbach]

Every time I see a forested hill around here stripped bare and turned into a 200 unit, roof top to roof top McMansion complex or a 200 acre corn field turned into another 2000 unit Renter's Ghetto , with another 1000 cars to wait in line with every day... I think of people like you who just don't get it.

The abundance mindset flows out of a deep inner sense of personal worth and security. It is a paradigm that is grounded in the belief that ‘there is more than enough’ for everyone. Alternatively, a scarcity mindset is the belief that there will never be enough, resulting in feelings of fear, stress, and anxiety.

I believe there are some elites that have quite a bit of control over population. Right now, they're probably still pushing for increasing population and increasing military. I feel the same way about the urban overcrowding. There are solutions we could be implementing, but instead we sit in commuter traffic so we can afford aircraft carriers floating everywhere. On that same token, the elites do not care about any issues of crowding, because they own all the open space. They may have 5 vacation homes, helicopters, private jets, etc. There is no issue of scarcity or overcrowding for them. Do you think Donald Trump is worried about immigrants taking his job or his country club membership or his filet mignon? Nope. The only people worried about immigrants are working class Americans, because they've been told by media and politicians that immigrants are "taking all the jobs". It's propaganda Moe. The world is only overcrowded / overpopulated if you're low on cash. Otherwise, it's wide open spaces, luxury, and valet parking. I think there's always going to be aspects of yesteryear we hold dear to our hearts. But, even with all the tyranny and oppression, I still think all the overpopulated humans on Earth were able to create a 2020 that's more fun than 1960 was.