Hawks and Clowney might be close..

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Michael K. » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:48 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:30 pm
i would have to go through the signings more closely in terms of what it costs to cut some before the season. I do think JS knows what he is doing in that respect. I was thinking Jones at guard but you are correct, it could be tackle. I think if Britt proves to be healthy they could bring him back at center. You have a healthy Britt, Brown, Jones, I think you have some talent there. Its not all pro but its not a five alarm fire, its okay. They draft a lineman to develop. They need to address the dline, the off season is not over
You are probably right. JS does a good job with the cap, and maybe they are just camp bodies. But, when looking at what we have done to improve this team we added a pass rusher that was about third or fourth best on the team the last time we had him, an aging TE, an injury prone CB, a 3rd Receiver that has never lived up to his hype anywhere else and we rearranged the chairs on the Titanic on the O Line. Even signing Clowney is just bringing back someone we already had!

We arent changing anything. To me, that is asking for trouble. An offense with Wilson, Lockett and DK shouldn’t become useless because they lose their RBs and Center! The roster construction tells me it’ll be more of the same next year.

Yes, we still have the draft. But we now go into the draft with the same holes we had going into Free Agency. Signing Conklin, IMO, might have taken the O Oine off that needs list. Instead we signed four guys that didn’t move the meter. Even Irvin and Clowney wouldn’t have taken D Line off the list, but would have at least reduced the need.

Right now? Going into the draft? What do we not need? QB, TE starting WR and Punter are all I can think of. Maybe Corner, but I still think we need a slot CB. Sure would have been nice to go into this draft with fewer needs. I’d love for RB to not be a need, but the way we run this offense it now is. It is obvious that without an upper end back we are neutered, which is stupid, but true. So now, despite having two quality backs, because we can’t function without a high level one, we need another.

I don’t understand this at all. Three of the top ten paid backs made the playoffs, two of those played on the same team and the other was on the 49ers and barely cracked the rotation. Why are we the good team that falls apart without a Pro Bowl back in the offense? Because we for some reason built our O Line around guys that can’t pass protect and our passing offense seems to rely on playground plays to live.

As I said, shoring up some of these holes might have been nice. We did NOTHING to fix holes, just threw good money out there for depth...so we can enter the draft looking to draft a ton of starters only to hear our head coach tell us in September they just aren’t ready to play.

To get deeper in the playoffs than we have before we now need Carson to stay healthy (no backs stay healthy) we need Penny to come back strong and be fresh and healthy at the end of the year, and because that is unlikely we need to draft another back! We need Clowney and another pass rusher and we need a Center and Guard, if not a RT. Pretty much all boxes we could have checked in January, before we signed new players!
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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by D-train » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:48 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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yeah, they have a collection of them, they have some young ones, some veterans, they probably draft a couple more. I really did not envision them signing a high priced FA lineman
Predictability is a flaw when what you are doing isn't working.
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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Michael K. » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:50 pm

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But the addition of four veterans means Seattle now has 15 offensive linemen
PC must think of O linemen how JD thinks of Relief pitcher. Sign a few hundred off the scrap heap and a few are bound to be good, right?
He has thought that for awhile, he has yet to be correct. The last one we drafted to start was Ifedi! Before that it was Britt, who was below average at the two positions he was drafted to play. We have yet to sign one that was even above average. Besides trading for Brown, what have we done up front that REALLY worked since drafting Okung?

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:00 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:48 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 pm
yeah, they have a collection of them, they have some young ones, some veterans, they probably draft a couple more. I really did not envision them signing a high priced FA lineman
Predictability is a flaw when what you are doing isn't working.
I don't understand what you mean by not working, they went 10-2 last season before the injures, I really do not see the glaring issue here. I think they had a decent line when healthy, they continue to add to it, and add depth. For me the narrative of the Oline being a train wreck is getting out dated

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Michael K. » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:08 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:00 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:48 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 pm
yeah, they have a collection of them, they have some young ones, some veterans, they probably draft a couple more. I really did not envision them signing a high priced FA lineman
Predictability is a flaw when what you are doing isn't working.
I don't understand what you mean by not working, they went 10-2 last season before the injures, I really do not see the glaring issue here. I think they had a decent line when healthy, they continue to add to it, and add depth. For me the narrative of the Oline being a train wreck is getting out dated
Yep, with Russ, DK and T Lock we just couldn’t get over the loss of Britt and two RBs. Can you name a RB on the 49ers or Chiefs? Are any of them guys we would have wanted? This offense is constructed the way Pete wants to win, and it’s stupid,

Once again, the # 7, 9 and 10 highest paid backs in the NFL made the playoffs. Two of them were Texans and one was a guy that barely played for the 49ers. Why is it our offense that can’t survive without a Pro Bowler? Must be that lack of talent we have at QB and WR right?

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:08 pm

To get deeper in the playoffs than we have before we now need Carson to stay healthy (no backs stay healthy) we need Penny to come back strong and be fresh and healthy at the end of the year, and because that is unlikely we need to draft another back! We need Clowney and another pass rusher and we need a Center and Guard, if not a RT. Pretty much all boxes we could have checked in January, before we signed new players!
I can see them drafting another rb, but that is just a given. They do need to address the pass rush. It looks to me like Brit at center, I think they have the line figured out, they draft a lineman but not to start. I do not see a big need for a lot of starters. They still need to address the line. I wonder how much the coronavirus has impacted that. And they are probably banking on getting something out of Collier next season

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:12 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:00 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:48 pm


Predictability is a flaw when what you are doing isn't working.
I don't understand what you mean by not working, they went 10-2 last season before the injures, I really do not see the glaring issue here. I think they had a decent line when healthy, they continue to add to it, and add depth. For me the narrative of the Oline being a train wreck is getting out dated
Yep, with Russ, DK and T Lock we just couldn’t get over the loss of Britt and two RBs. Can you name a RB on the 49ers or Chiefs? Are any of them guys we would have wanted? This offense is constructed the way Pete wants to win, and it’s stupid,

Once again, the # 7, 9 and 10 highest paid backs in the NFL made the playoffs. Two of them were Texans and one was a guy that barely played for the 49ers. Why is it our offense that can’t survive without a Pro Bowler? Must be that lack of talent we have at QB and WR right?
they had more injuries to the line than just Britt last season didn't they?

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/ve ... ks-in-2020

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Michael K. » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:02 pm

Go look at the starters in the Green Bay game. Everyone’s favorite whipping boy Hunt had been a starter for some time. So ONE SINGLE BACKUP LINEMAN started that game. But all we heard was the injuries derailed us. If that is the case, your line sucks ass and they need talent, not four more scrubs.

OR, we run a dumb ass offense that can’t function with the RB and RG. Either way, I’d look to make changes. Instead? We sign four backup O Lineman that are below average in pass pro.

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by ThePro » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 pm

Michael K. wrote:
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Either way, I’d look to make changes.
Hawks better have one hell of a draft or you'll get your wish.

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Re: Hawks and Clowney might be close..

Post by Michael K. » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:19 pm

ThePro wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:02 pm
Either way, I’d look to make changes.
Hawks better have one hell of a draft or you'll get your wish.
Won’t happen. The Head Coach is also the VP of Football operations. His antiquated style is here until he doesn’t want to be anymore.

I would love to get Jeremy Bates, Daryl Bevell and Schotty all in a room. Not because a I think any of the three are master minds, but because I would LOVE to hear what the guys taking the blame for a neutered offense REALLY feel about the strategy of....who we bring in on the O Line, the run first safe mentality, and if they really think the best passing offense is to get down two scores and let Russ play street ball.

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