PCJS marriage

[D-train]

He won 7 games with Matt Hasselbeck who I read was a pretty good QB.

[ThePro]

He won 7 games with Matt Hasselbeck who I read was a pretty good QB.

I'm going to hold off on criticism ( unless it's about the dogshit Oline they signed instead of Conklin for same $$) until the draft.

[Michael K.]

He won 7 games with Matt Hasselbeck who I read was a pretty good QB.

And, even that was a struggle because he wanted to play Charlie Whitehurst!

The guy won how many games in New England? Right now, when guys bitch about Belichek in New England, fans probably scream "what, you want to go back to Pete Carroll!?"

Since the organization made the move to Chuck Knox, made a committment to win. This is what it has looked like

Knox. 9 Seasons. 6 winning seasons, 1 8-8 season and 2 losing seasons.
Flores. 3 Seasons. 3 losing seasons.
Erickson. 4 Seasons. 3 8-8 and 1 losing.
Holmgren. 10 Seasons. 7 winning and 3 losing.
Mora. 1 Season and 1 losing season.

So, take out lame ducks like Flores and Mora....and you have and you have 23 Seasons, 13 winning seasons, 4 8-8 seasons and 6 losing seasons. Yep, based on this knowledge one would be lead to believe that we will immediately be a 3 or 4 win dumpster fire lead by the next Flores or Mora...right?

Carroll, has coached 10 seasons, one more than Knox and the same as Holmgren. He has the same number of losing seasons as knox and one less than Holmgren. But, only Pete could keep us from five win years.

[auroraave]

What's my point. Yes Don, you are right. This organization would be lost, and was lost before the great Pete Carroll arrived. He deserves credit, but the Saint Hood treatment is tiresome. He is responsible for the exact same many Super Bowl losses as wins, and since that moment hasn't advanced past the second round....despite having the best Qb this organization will probably ever have. At least during Carroll's time here.

Seattle started out 10-2, while arguably being the second or even third most talented team in their own division last year - a direct result of every other team in the division, with the exception of Seattle, bottoming out and acquiring multiple top draft picks to restock the team - a luxury Seattle doesn't get because they keep going to the playoffs.

Seattle started out 10-2 - including 3-0 against the toughest and deepest division in the league. In the biggest game of the year, Seattle went into SF and beat the 9ers - while Jadaveon Clowney - a John Schneider acquisition/steal - was arguably the games biggest star. Seattle advanced into first place - basically against all odds - shocking most of the NFL community. NO one saw this coming. 10-2.

Then the wheels fell off the cart due to injuries. Dissly, Gordon (not injured), Carson, Penny, Prosise, Dickson, most of the oline. The talent level on the team took a dramatic downturn. None of this is my opinion, it's simply true.

So, what exactly could the front office and PC have done to 'advance past the second round' in this situation, with this roster, in a loaded division with healthier teams all around them?

Every person on this forum, including you Michael, know there was nothing to be done. Seattle over achieved then lost the talent battle through attrition. PC's bumbled challenges or mind boggling clock management skills did not prevent this team from 'advancing past the second round.

I;ve asked you multiple time to provide examples of what they could have done, specifically to prevent injuries and advance. As always it';s crickets from you - because you know just like everyone one else that there was nothing they could do. Nothing. But to admit that absolute truth completely deflates your ridiculous narrative about how awful PC and JS are. You know it, I know it, every person on this forum knows it.

We get it - your bitter about the SB loss - get in line dude. I dropped a lot of money going to that game - and I'm over it. You having the expectations that every single season should result in a SB trophy of the front office should be fired is nonsense - and deep down you know it. Because of the high draft capitol teams acquire by bottoming out - they have passed Seattle in talent - not because Seattle has fucked away every draft - there have been plenty of misses - but no more than any other franchise in the league. Again, you won't admit that lest it burst your anger bubble.

Still waiting on the solution to last season that would've out Seattle in the SB, according to you. Don't worry, I know you won't answer, you'll do the usual duck, dodge and deflect routine of someone who cannot in any way back up their narrative with any logical reasoning. If you could, you would.

But you continue to play the 'everyone worships PC narrative, when no one on here has ever ever uttered that but you. It's the usual bait and switch argument from someone who simply cannot argue objectively or back their position up with any reason. Maybe dial down the bitterness, it's not a good look. You;re better than that. Don;t make me send you a 9ers jersey. Remember - we are ALL hawks fans and want them to win every single battle. Life doesn't work out that way. When you're bitching about the SB loss, just remember the f*cking miracle against GB that got them there, maybe show a bit of gratitude.

[Michael K.]

Quoting system effed up. Won't let me delete.

[Michael K.]

Started out 10 and 2 with three divisional wins. Great. Finished 1 and 3 with 3 Divisional losses? All because of injuries. Excuses.

I have answered your question numerous times duded. Please, cut and copy this response....and reference every time you want to tell me again that I didn't answer you. THIS is what I want them to do, one of two things.

1. Run a damn offense that matches their strengths. Their strengths are in the passing game. So, acquire lineman that can pass block and let the guy that is widely accepted as the second or third best QB in the NFL lead you to victories. Don't have your top WR outside the top 15 in targets and don't have DK Metcalf targeted almost as frequently as a TE that was on the practice squad to start the year!

2. Since Pete doesn't give a shit what the roster looks like, we are going to play power football. FINE, that is the O Line you constructed. SO....get a damn FB and run the ball from under Center. I am so sick and tired of watching us try to play power football from the shotgun and this half assed read option when everyone knows Russ aint keeping unless the game is on the line!

How many times can we get over powered on third or forth and short because the back gets the ball flat footed six yards deep? How many times does this philosophy result in third and long, and then we are screwed because the lineman we signed can't pass block!

Don't run an offense requiring Pro Bowl talent at RB....run one that utilizes the Pro Bowl talent you have....the ones that don't get hurt. An offense with our passing weapons shouldn't go inept losing a tailback. But it does.

And finally, your opening statement is hilarious.

Seattle started out 10-2, while arguably being the second or even third most talented team in their own division last year - a direct result of every other team in the division, with the exception of Seattle, bottoming out and acquiring multiple top draft picks to restock the team - a luxury Seattle doesn't get because they keep going to the playoffs.

You are DEFENDING the FO by pointing out the rest of the division has more talent?

Remember, when you want to scream that I don't answer your questions. I just did it....it is the two things listed above....THAT is what I want them to do. One of those two damn things. Copy and paste that and read it the next time you want to tell me you get crickets when you ask me questions. You get the same damn answer every fucking time...you just refuse to read or comprehend it.

[Goms]

What's my point. Yes Don, you are right. This organization would be lost, and was lost before the great Pete Carroll arrived. He deserves credit, but the Saint Hood treatment is tiresome. He is responsible for the exact same many Super Bowl losses as wins, and since that moment hasn't advanced past the second round....despite having the best Qb this organization will probably ever have. At least during Carroll's time here.

Seattle started out 10-2, while arguably being the second or even third most talented team in their own division last year - a direct result of every other team in the division, with the exception of Seattle, bottoming out and acquiring multiple top draft picks to restock the team - a luxury Seattle doesn't get because they keep going to the playoffs.

Seattle started out 10-2 - including 3-0 against the toughest and deepest division in the league. In the biggest game of the year, Seattle went into SF and beat the 9ers - while Jadaveon Clowney - a John Schneider acquisition/steal - was arguably the games biggest star. Seattle advanced into first place - basically against all odds - shocking most of the NFL community. NO one saw this coming. 10-2.

Then the wheels fell off the cart due to injuries. Dissly, Gordon (not injured), Carson, Penny, Prosise, Dickson, most of the oline. The talent level on the team took a dramatic downturn. None of this is my opinion, it's simply true.

So, what exactly could the front office and PC have done to 'advance past the second round' in this situation, with this roster, in a loaded division with healthier teams all around them?

Every person on this forum, including you Michael, know there was nothing to be done. Seattle over achieved then lost the talent battle through attrition. PC's bumbled challenges or mind boggling clock management skills did not prevent this team from 'advancing past the second round.

I;ve asked you multiple time to provide examples of what they could have done, specifically to prevent injuries and advance. As always it';s crickets from you - because you know just like everyone one else that there was nothing they could do. Nothing. But to admit that absolute truth completely deflates your ridiculous narrative about how awful PC and JS are. You know it, I know it, every person on this forum knows it.

We get it - your bitter about the SB loss - get in line dude. I dropped a lot of money going to that game - and I'm over it. You having the expectations that every single season should result in a SB trophy of the front office should be fired is nonsense - and deep down you know it. Because of the high draft capitol teams acquire by bottoming out - they have passed Seattle in talent - not because Seattle has fucked away every draft - there have been plenty of misses - but no more than any other franchise in the league. Again, you won't admit that lest it burst your anger bubble.

Still waiting on the solution to last season that would've out Seattle in the SB, according to you. Don't worry, I know you won't answer, you'll do the usual duck, dodge and deflect routine of someone who cannot in any way back up their narrative with any logical reasoning. If you could, you would.

But you continue to play the 'everyone worships PC narrative, when no one on here has ever ever uttered that but you. It's the usual bait and switch argument from someone who simply cannot argue objectively or back their position up with any reason. Maybe dial down the bitterness, it's not a good look. You;re better than that. Don;t make me send you a 9ers jersey. Remember - we are ALL hawks fans and want them to win every single battle. Life doesn't work out that way. When you're bitching about the SB loss, just remember the f*cking miracle against GB that got them there, maybe show a bit of gratitude.

TY and i should have researched my 3 and 13 statement but Dtrain im an old man and don't really want to go back to the Stan Gelbaugh, Kelly Stoffer and Rick Myer teams of the 80s and 90s but if you and Micheal do good luck with that i will take the future hall of fame duo of John and Pete.Yes a lot of that is Russ but not all of it as he is just a great QB he does not put the roster together.

[Michael K.]

TY and i should have researched my 3 and 13 statement but Dtrain im an old man and don't really want to go back to the Stan Gelbaugh, Kelly Stoffer and Rick Myer teams of the 80s and 90s but if you and Micheal do good luck with that i will take the future hall of fame duo of John and Pete.Yes a lot of that is Russ but not all of it as he is just a great QB he does not put the roster together.

So, you looked at the list of coaches since Knox, you understand what we know about different ownership groups, and in your opinion, if Pete leaves we will o back to Stan Gelbaugh and Kelly Stoffer? Why?

Lots of future hall of famers have to quit coaching, some even because they refuse to adapt. Some maybe even, because they didn't take full advantage of the future hall of famer they had at QB.

[Michael K.]

The most confusing thing about this, IMO, is the thought that Pete, as the VP of Football Operations and John Schneider, the GM, aren't capable of finding the next great coach, and instead we would be stuck with the next Tom Flores or Jim Mora JR.

[ThePro]

The most confusing thing about this, IMO, is the thought that Pete, as the VP of Football Operations and John Schneider, the GM, aren't capable of finding the next great coach, and instead we would be stuck with the next Tom Flores or Jim Mora JR.

Why would you leave the search up to either of them if say Jody Allen felt like you?