2020-2021 Hot Stove Thread

[AT Funchal-Madeira]

Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
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#Mets offered more money to try to seduce Bauer out of #Dodgers, but going home to SoCal, defending champs, modern/cutting edge pitching shop won out.

So Bauer turns out to be this year's David Cone, hooker for hire....free agents aren't free...Wouldn't be surprised to see Walker Beuhler win a Cy Young soon.... give the Dodgers 4 Cy Young pitchers on starting rotation. The only way to compete with the big market whales is to draft high a couple of years and draft well along with trading for prospects...and trading well.... I'm looking for Miami to move up a notch this year..... Who has the better farm, Seattle, Tampa Bay, or Detroit? Who will develop their talent the best? We are lucky we are in the AL West and not in the NL West.... Fuck....

[Petert]

Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
·
26s
#Mets offered more money to try to seduce Bauer out of #Dodgers, but going home to SoCal, defending champs, modern/cutting edge pitching shop won out.

So Bauer turns out to be this year's David Cone, hooker for hire....free agents aren't free...Wouldn't be surprised to see Walker Beuhler win a Cy Young soon.... give the Dodgers 4 Cy Young pitchers on starting rotation. The only way to compete with the big market whales is to draft high a couple of years and draft well along with trading for prospects...and trading well.... I'm looking for Miami to move up a notch this year..... Who has the better farm, Seattle, Tampa Bay, or Detroit? Who will develop their talent the best? We are lucky we are in the AL West and not in the NL West.... Fuck....

You remember how close we came when they did league realignment, right ?

[harmony]

Perhaps it's time for the Mariners to seek reunions with free agents Taijuan Walker, James Paxton, Brad Miller, Shin-Soo Choo and/or Oliver Perez.

Or not.

[Sexymarinersfan]

Perhaps it's time for the Mariners to seek reunions with free agents Taijuan Walker, James Paxton, Brad Miller, Shin-Soo Choo and/or Oliver Perez.

Or not.

Ozuna back to the Braves. After not acquiring Soria I'm convinced all the Mariners will be doing is dumpster diving for minor league contracts. They have a plan and are sticking to it. Even in a generous MLB free agent offseason, they're not gonna open their pocketbooks.

[Donn Beach]

That fourth year would have made it hard to beat, mariners going to five?

[IStillLoveTheMs]

So he's making more in one year than our entire pitching staff combined.

This type of shit is awful for baseball.

[Donn Beach]

Pitching staff, heck it's more than the entire rosters of three other MLB teams, interesting Mets actually offered more money over three seasons

[bpj]

Perhaps it's time for the Mariners to seek reunions with free agents Taijuan Walker, James Paxton, Brad Miller, Shin-Soo Choo and/or Oliver Perez.

Or not.

Ozuna back to the Braves. After not acquiring Soria I'm convinced all the Mariners will be doing is dumpster diving for minor league contracts. They have a plan and are sticking to it. Even in a generous MLB free agent offseason, they're not gonna open their pocketbooks.

But, but.. his muh defense!!

I am actually surprised to see the Braves do 4 years, but that contract seems easy enough to trade to an AL team in a couple years.

[bpj]

What I mean is if he has 5/150 on the table, its going to take significantly more per year over 1 or 2 years to still give him the chance to earn more over the course of his final seasons than he would have at 5/150.

He has to think that after two years he could do better than the remaining 3/70M he would have gotten from the Giants or whoever.

The reason he wanted to go yearly is to maximize his yearly earnings. There has to be an obvious benefit to him over the 5/150. 2/80 might not even be enough incentive given his age. Maybe it will really be about "situation," but dudes on the tail end of his career now, we'll see where he ends up, I think he'll take the 5 years somewhere.

He could easily become one of these $11M per year guys by then. How much will he bet on himself..

Yep, ignoring the NPV aspect of the time value of money he would be betting than he does better than 70 mil in years 3-5. $23 mil per. That is quite a bet.

What kind of a gamble is 2 years/85million compared to 5 years/150 million?

If my club is in the Mariners position and the player is over 26 years old, it seems crazy, but I think I take the 2/85 nine out of ten times.

The thought of paying Bauer $42.5M in 2021 and 2022 with our current payroll concerns me less than still paying him $30M in 2025 and knowing he would still be guaranteed innings.

We all know they won't spend it if they don't spend it. They're not saving for a rainy day.

Passing on Bauer would be looking a gift horse in the mouth, imo. What else are they going to spend the money on...

Yes I know thats a ton of money. But its less scary to me than a $300M contract that teams are also handing out.

So Bauer ended up getting a couple opt outs making his contract break down pretty much as we expected here.

1/40
2/85
3rd year would be less so he may opt out at that point, but 27 million or whatever made it make sense for both sides.

Paying max value with a discount in the third year in case he tanks. Seems like overkill for a team like the Dodgers, but they obviously want a championship.

No reason Bauer would have to come to Seattle when the Dodgers forked it over! (I did numbers from memory, may be off). Would have been extrememly hard to justify paying him more even if they announced they were trying to win now.

[IStillLoveTheMs]

Pitching staff, heck it's more than the entire rosters of three other MLB teams, interesting Mets actually offered more money over three seasons

I'd much rather pitch in LA... buy a sick ass house in Malibu... play for a God squad... than make a few more million and play for the Godforsaken Mets.