Ok we are down to it so time from a fresh new HC Thread!

[Donn Beach]

CRAZY Queen is the guy I wanted to draft instead of Brooks.

Two things. I did NOT want a fucking MLB in the first round. Second? Who in the Hell would have chosen Brooks instead of Queen? It didn't make sense then and it really never seemed to make sense at all.

Not me, I had Brooks over Queen. And I wanted to trade back because I wasn't in love with our picking spot in the draft. I'm a die hard LSU guy, and there was no way I was taking a 1-year wonder over Brooks. Overall I thought it was OK, but I did not care for that draft defensively.

Yeah, don't believe Queen has had a better career
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fieldg ... ens-week-8

[D-train]

Two things. I did NOT want a fucking MLB in the first round. Second? Who in the Hell would have chosen Brooks instead of Queen? It didn't make sense then and it really never seemed to make sense at all.

Not me, I had Brooks over Queen. And I wanted to trade back because I wasn't in love with our picking spot in the draft. I'm a die hard LSU guy, and there was no way I was taking a 1-year wonder over Brooks. Overall I thought it was OK, but I did not care for that draft defensively.

Yeah, don't believe Queen has had a better career
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fieldg ... ens-week-8

Yeah nobody said he did. Brooks injury likely brought them back to about even.

Actually Pro football reference has Queen with significantly higher career AV 42 to 24.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ooJo01.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... eePa00.htm

[Michael K.]

Brooks has definitely not lived up to his potential. Still doesn't mean that I would've taken Queen over him. I wanted the 4 year starter. And still prefer it going forward. That being said, every now and then their are "outliers". WR Xavier Legette possibly being one of them this year. Hasn't done JACK until his final year in college. Now he's looking at a potential 1st or 2nd Round grade. Built like DK and AJ Brown.

What potential? He was a run stuffer that didn't cover or rush the passer!? Fantastic "potential" in today's NFL. Sometimes a guy is a four year starter in college because he wasn't good enough to leave early!

[Sexymarinersfan]

Brooks has definitely not lived up to his potential. Still doesn't mean that I would've taken Queen over him. I wanted the 4 year starter. And still prefer it going forward. That being said, every now and then their are "outliers". WR Xavier Legette possibly being one of them this year. Hasn't done JACK until his final year in college. Now he's looking at a potential 1st or 2nd Round grade. Built like DK and AJ Brown.

What potential? He was a run stuffer that didn't cover or rush the passer!? Fantastic "potential" in today's NFL. Sometimes a guy is a four year starter in college because he wasn't good enough to leave early!

The potential of being a 1st round draft pick. When I think of a prospect that has first round talent, it means he better be pretty friggin' special, considering we drafted Bobby in the 2nd round. As I said before, I didn't care for that draft. We needed defensive help, and I hated our picking spot.

[Michael K.]

Brooks has definitely not lived up to his potential. Still doesn't mean that I would've taken Queen over him. I wanted the 4 year starter. And still prefer it going forward. That being said, every now and then their are "outliers". WR Xavier Legette possibly being one of them this year. Hasn't done JACK until his final year in college. Now he's looking at a potential 1st or 2nd Round grade. Built like DK and AJ Brown.

What potential? He was a run stuffer that didn't cover or rush the passer!? Fantastic "potential" in today's NFL. Sometimes a guy is a four year starter in college because he wasn't good enough to leave early!

The potential of being a 1st round draft pick. When I think of a prospect that has first round talent, it means he better be pretty friggin' special, considering we drafted Bobby in the 2nd round. As I said before, I didn't care for that draft. We needed defensive help, and I hated our picking spot.

Because we took him in the first, doesn't make him a first round talent. Most were shocked he was taken there.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordyn-br ... b174b58eaf

Second round projection here.

Weaknesses
Failed to rise to the occasion against Oklahoma
Gassed in late second quarter by Sooners' pace
Loses his run fit at times when working around blocks
Needs to attack blocks aggressively to constrict run lanes
Finds himself blocked at times despite good reads
Needs to school up hands as pre-emptive weapons
Gets lost in space in zone drops
Lacks fluidity when asked to cover

What I find very odd about this list? Nothing about rushing the passer or his coverage skills. That was a knock I remember. By the way? Those things weren't listed as skills either. It's the NFL today, you need to effect the passing game if you are going to be worth a first round pick. I listen to Wyman go on and on about Queens' ability to show blitz and drop, his ability to cover, go sideline to sideline. Sorry, Brooks over Queen was a mistake, but even taking a middle backer was a mistake. Not in the first round.

Jordyn Brooks is projected as a Day 2 selection

Oklahoma’s Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen of LSU, and Wisconsin’s Zack Baun are all potential targets for the Saints with the 24th pick in the 1st round

He wasn't projected as a first round pick, but like many times before, we had to have someone and didn't care that it was a reach. We even passed on a better player at the same position because "we are that smart". Penny over Chubb and Brooks over Queen? Just dumb, and their careers have shown that.

If us taking him in the first round means the guy was a first round pick? I will need some answers for

Rashaad Penny. Jermain Ifedi and LJ Collier. Even Bruce Irvin. Hell, we were so bad at it, we traded it away three straight years and four out of five. In the 15 drafts this regime has had, we traded away the first round pick five times. And due to a lack of success, most thought it was the right thing to do!

Yep, we took him in the first round. Nope, he wasn't projected as a first rounder. Nope, he hasn't played like one. How strange.

[D-train]

Eskridge over Creed Humphry!

AV
DE: 2

CH: 31

Who was the other O lineman that we passed on that became a Pro Bowler???

[Michael K.]

Who was the other O lineman that we passed on that became a Pro Bowler???

Ramsomething or other, with the Saints. Stud Guard. Another Saint guy, I think Saints, was Tarik Armstead. OT. We needed C Mike to be our third string TB instead of Armstead or Keenan Allen! Yep, we needed O Line, needed WRs, so much we traded for Percy. But we took C Mike to back up Lynch and Turbin instead. The list goes on and on. They thought they were smarter, and they got a shit ton of rope due to some great drafts. Funny thing is? The best drafts they didn't reach in the first round. Okung and ET worked out pretty damn well. No one shook their heads on those picks. Not like Bruce Irvin, Jermain Ifedi, LJ Collier, Penny and Brooks. The recent drafts haven't felt like reaches. I realize Spoon or the GA Tackle pisses people off. But Spoon is in the running for Defensive Rookie of the Year. So hard to argue.

[D-train]

Oh we traded down to take Malik McDowell instead of Ryan Ramczyk

AV 73

For reference DK is only at 50

[Sexymarinersfan]

What potential? He was a run stuffer that didn't cover or rush the passer!? Fantastic "potential" in today's NFL. Sometimes a guy is a four year starter in college because he wasn't good enough to leave early!

The potential of being a 1st round draft pick. When I think of a prospect that has first round talent, it means he better be pretty friggin' special, considering we drafted Bobby in the 2nd round. As I said before, I didn't care for that draft. We needed defensive help, and I hated our picking spot.

Because we took him in the first, doesn't make him a first round talent. Most were shocked he was taken there.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordyn-br ... b174b58eaf

Second round projection here.

Weaknesses
Failed to rise to the occasion against Oklahoma
Gassed in late second quarter by Sooners' pace
Loses his run fit at times when working around blocks
Needs to attack blocks aggressively to constrict run lanes
Finds himself blocked at times despite good reads
Needs to school up hands as pre-emptive weapons
Gets lost in space in zone drops
Lacks fluidity when asked to cover

What I find very odd about this list? Nothing about rushing the passer or his coverage skills. That was a knock I remember. By the way? Those things weren't listed as skills either. It's the NFL today, you need to effect the passing game if you are going to be worth a first round pick. I listen to Wyman go on and on about Queens' ability to show blitz and drop, his ability to cover, go sideline to sideline. Sorry, Brooks over Queen was a mistake, but even taking a middle backer was a mistake. Not in the first round.

Jordyn Brooks is projected as a Day 2 selection

Oklahoma’s Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen of LSU, and Wisconsin’s Zack Baun are all potential targets for the Saints with the 24th pick in the 1st round

He wasn't projected as a first round pick, but like many times before, we had to have someone and didn't care that it was a reach. We even passed on a better player at the same position because "we are that smart". Penny over Chubb and Brooks over Queen? Just dumb, and their careers have shown that.

If us taking him in the first round means the guy was a first round pick? I will need some answers for

Rashaad Penny. Jermain Ifedi and LJ Collier. Even Bruce Irvin. Hell, we were so bad at it, we traded it away three straight years and four out of five. In the 15 drafts this regime has had, we traded away the first round pick five times. And due to a lack of success, most thought it was the right thing to do!

Yep, we took him in the first round. Nope, he wasn't projected as a first rounder. Nope, he hasn't played like one. How strange.

Agree to disagree, except for our picking spot. I think we should have traded back, or taken better value off the board, even if it had been another position. This screamed Pete pick. But no way in hell was I taking Queen over Brooks. I hate taking chances on one year wonders in college. That's just my preference.

That being said, I still love you Patrick! GEAUX TIGERS!!

[ddraig]

I could see the Hawks trading down if they don't want to select a QB. If they can get a later first round and a second round pick for their 16th pick. Then use both picks for defense.