Mariners fall from mediocrity continues. Marco vs Samson game thread 7/22

[Juliooooo]

Would Seager be an above average defender at 2B? I don't kite that he has the range for that. What is the advantage of putting him at 2B where he sucks on offense and is at best average on defense. His biggest asset is his glove at 3B. He is here for better or worse the next few years. I get why you don't like it, but complaining won't change it. I hope Im wong and they just Dfa him, but I think the chances of that are .001%. Mariners just won't do that.

I see it more like this. Seager might hit better in a change of scenery, perhaps in the NL. I'd like to know if Nola can handle 3B. Also next year they're supposed to do away with the shift.

Maybe, but his contract makes a trade extremely unlikely. Get used to Seager on the team cause it ain't changing.

[D-train]

Man why couldn't he have just had a decent year this year with a .750 OPS with the good d so he could at least be tradeable.........

[bpj]

Would Seager be an above average defender at 2B? I don't kite that he has the range for that. What is the advantage of putting him at 2B where he sucks on offense and is at best average on defense. His biggest asset is his glove at 3B. He is here for better or worse the next few years. I get why you don't like it, but complaining won't change it. I hope Im wong and they just Dfa him, but I think the chances of that are .001%. Mariners just won't do that.

Disagree with nearly everything you said, as usual.

He was a college 2B, he's not some dried up ol maid that can't move like Pujols.

Seager is taking up valuable real estate.

The 10th highest OPS by a 3B this season is .895.
The 10th highest OPS by a 2B this season is .769.

Kyle Seager has a .614 after his weak HR yesterday. Which, is fine when his roster spot isn't costing us anybody. Soon enough the choice will be Seager or DFA someone like Nola.

But, it has nothing to do with anyone else. He doesn't deserve 3B anymore, defense be damned. Having Seager at 3B any longer would be as bad as putting Mallex Smith at 1B for his D.

The reason it will get done is because if Seager can provide good defense at the much less offensively demanding position, he could survive in the league longer. He will get moved to 2B because that's what he is.

For any team besides this inept organization he never would have been moved off of 2B. People act like it's a good thing for Seager. Nope. In my opinion he would be getting talked about like a potential HOF'er if he had been a 2B all along, and would likely have much higher career WAR numbers gathering it at 2B instead of 3B where he's judged against better hitters.

Seager will move to 2B very soon, if not for us, his next team. Unfortunately the move may come too late and his playing time at 2B may come as a utility player because his bat no longer warrants a starting role anywhere on the diamond.

[Juliooooo]

Disagree with nearly everything you said, as usual.

He was a college 2B, he's not some dried up ol maid that can't move like Pujols.

How is what he did a decade ago relevant. He is one of the slowest players on the Mariners. He does not have the range to be an above average defender there. He would do a good job, but wouldn't stand out when compared to other MLB players. I'm not talking about the past and what should have happened a decade ago with him. I'm talking about the future. Maybe he could have been a great 2B, but that is in the past, its irrelevant to this conversation.

Seager is taking up valuable real estate.

He is taking valuable real estate from who? Please tell me who. a 29 year old rookie who has never played 3B? Healy, who has the back of a 45 year old?

The 10th highest OPS by a 3B this season is .895.
The 10th highest OPS by a 2B this season is .769.

You said it best yourself

Kyle Seager has a .614 after his weak HR yesterday.

He isn't worth a starting spot at either position. So why move him to 2B where he is blocking a few young guys that might be able to contribute like Long or Lopes?

Soon enough the choice will be Seager or DFA someone like Nola.

Why? What possible reason will the Mariners have to DFA Nola in the next year and a half? White won't be ready by then (you hate him anyway). Healy won't be ready. Nola can play 1B and C. If Mariners trade Narvaez or Murphy, then he has a spot on the team as backup C/backup 1B.

But, it has nothing to do with anyone else. He doesn't deserve 3B anymore, defense be damned. Having Seager at 3B any longer would be as bad as putting Mallex Smith at 1B for his D.

LOL, WTF? Is this an argument?

The reason it will get done is because if Seager can provide good defense at the much less offensively demanding position, he could survive in the league longer. He will get moved to 2B because that's what he is.

He's going to survive in the league only until his contract runs out, unless he figures out his bat, whether at 2B or 3B.

For any team besides this inept organization he never would have been moved off of 2B. People act like it's a good thing for Seager. Nope. In my opinion he would be getting talked about like a potential HOF'er if he had been a 2B all along, and would likely have much higher career WAR numbers gathering it at 2B instead of 3B where he's judged against better hitters.

Once again, irrelevant. That is in the past. doesn't affect what they should do with him in the future if he doesn't start hitting again.

Seager will move to 2B very soon, if not for us, his next team. Unfortunately the move may come too late and his playing time at 2B may come as a utility player because his bat no longer warrants a starting role anywhere on the diamond.

We'll see. I highly doubt he'll be moved to 2B permanently.

[Donn Beach]

the reason to move Seager to second is because his bat would play better there?...His bat doesn't play anywhere, by moving him you would be sacrificing what little value he still has, his defense in order to pick up some sort of value that doesn't exist in the first place.

[Juliooooo]

the reason to move Seager to second is because his bat would play better there?...His bat doesn't play anywhere, by moving him you would be sacrificing what little value he still has, his defense in order to pick up some sort of value that doesn't exist in the first place.

Nope. I've already been told that's wrong because he played 2B in college and it would be dumb to move Mallex Smith to 1B.

[D-train]

If they can't trade him and ownership won't let them DFA him they should just bench him. If ownership is so horrific that they would complain about that too then we are really F-d.

[ddraig]

My thoughts exactly. Just bench him and use him occasionally when whoever plays 3B needs a rest. Use him as a PH in NL games and that's about it. He's a sunk cost now and nobody, nobody, is going to trade for him unless the M's pay most of his salary. And if you think you could get prospects for him, think again.

Seager is exactly what is wrong with the organization. They overpay to keep people around instead of paying them a good contract for a few years and then rethink things. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

[Juliooooo]

Bench him when an adequate replacement comes along. Right now we have Beckham at 2B, Moore in LF, Negron as the 4th OF/ utility guy and no legit 3B in the minors above high A ball, and he's fringy at best right now.

[Juliooooo]

My thoughts exactly. Just bench him and use him occasionally when whoever plays 3B needs a rest. Use him as a PH in NL games and that's about it. He's a sunk cost now and nobody, nobody, is going to trade for him unless the M's pay most of his salary. And if you think you could get prospects for him, think again.

Seager is exactly what is wrong with the organization. They overpay to keep people around instead of paying them a good contract for a few years and then rethink things. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

The longer they go without trading him, the less likely it is. Say they trade him in the offseason and pay the remainder of his salary he is due. That kicks in 15 million for 2022. Mariners save no money, and the other team owes him 15 million over 3 years. That benefits neither team.