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Re: Trade!!!

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:50 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:39 pm
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Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:35 pm
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Still can't believe they added one of the best bats available on the market.

Hollander doing a great job so far.

I would still fill the following holes-

2B
LF
DH
SP5

Wong/Tanaka/Haniger seems about perfect from where I'm sitting.

Then they can take their pick between Rodon or Senga for the open spot in the rotation.

Lewis and Kelenic can be injury replacements.

So many ways they can still improve the team, and already checked corner outfielder with power off the list. Great start.

Love the idea of upgrading that SP5 spot if the reports are true that they're interested in Senga. Why wouldn't you upgrade at this point, they've been sitting on their cash like Uncle Scrooge McDuck the last few years. Time to make the fans excited, and back it up for once.
Yeah, we still have a bunch of holes on this roster. I wouldn't mind seeing us add another 3 bats if we're being honest, for those exact positions you mentioned.
If Winker is traded then need 3 but I would be ok with Dylan at 2B IF we got Two big bats like Reynolds and Bell for LF and DH.
I really want something special up the middle. Whether it's at 2B or SS. And considering there aren't a whole lot of star 2B around the league so that kinda narrows it down!

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Re: Trade!!!

Post by D-train » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:25 pm

Great stuff from Morosi here. Can't believe I didn't add Teo in my contest entry after reading he was a likely target a week ago. :roll: :oops:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/
“Teoscar Hernandez is a really, really good outfielder. In some ways he’s been a great hitter,” he said. “He is, I think, a comprehensive, really, really good right fielder. And yet, when it’s just one year, the price tag is, well, maybe your sixth- or seventh-best prospect and a really good reliever. But it’s not a frontline starting pitcher, it’s not an everyday position player in his prime. It’s a manageable cost when it’s a one-year player to bring in.

“And I think one thing about the Mariners overall, is that their payroll is in pretty good shape to where if they really liked what Teoscar does and he comes in and as a really good first half of the season, then they can always revisit the possibility of extending him during the course of the year in a way that it just didn’t seem like it was going to happen with Mitch Haniger.”


Morosi said he was told that the Mariners are still looking for another outfielder, and that trading 2022 left fielder Jesse Winker is “a very strong possibility” and he’s heard the 2021 All-Star has been discussed in trades over the last 48 hours.

If the Mariners do add another outfielder, Morosi thinks the team’s prefence is for it to be a left-handed bat, such as Masakata Yoshida, who was recently posted from by the Orix Buffaloes in Japan.

“I think the Mariners likely will add a bat in the outfield,” he said. But I think that by virtue of this trade, Brandon Nimmo is now less of a possibility for the Mariners and more of a possibility for the Jays as sort of a seesaw consequence of this trade.”

Also a consequence of this trade, Morosi said, is Haniger’s chances of returning to Seattle.

“I would be at this point surprised. I just think that Teoscar is going to play the role that Mitch Haniger played,” he said. “He’s going to bat where he was batting, he’s going to play right field. I just don’t see a real fit unless Mitch’s market really is not what he expects it to be and he comes back and it’s a cheaper one-year deal or a one-year plus an option deal as a DH effectively, or a left field combination. But it just seems to me that he’ll probably find another spot.”

Morosi also mentioned in the conversation that he thinks it’s still possible the team trades one or both of Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen. He also said the M’s are “certainly” and “generally” involved in the four All-Star shortstops – Carlos Correa, Xander Bogaerts, Trea Turner and Dansby Swanson – but doesn’t think they’re the favorites.


Really???? I wonder why we aren't favorites to sign a great SS to play 2B??? :shock: :oops: :roll:
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Re: Trade!!!

Post by D-train » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:25 pm

So instead of giving Mitch a QO we got Teo And saved $6M. Great decision.
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Re: Trade!!!

Post by Big_Maple » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:27 pm

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Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:25 pm
So instead of giving Mitch a QO we got Teo And saved $6M. Great decision.
And hopefully have a RF with the same pop in his bat, but who plays more than 1/3 of the games a season.

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Re: Trade!!!

Post by D-train » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:33 pm

TEO Fun facts.

1. He missed about 3.5 weeks from mid April to May 7th so that hurt his counting stats. If you project his HRs and RBIs to 160 games he would be at 31 HRs and 94 RBIs

2. He was on FIRE the last 14 games of the season and as we know hit two more bombs the last game of their season.

Last 14 games: .357/.390/.750/1.140

3. As has been mention he has crushed T Mobile in 16 games: .357/.400/.679/1.079

Just JACKED about this guy.
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Re: Trade!!!

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:50 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:11 pm
By Keith Law
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The Mariners and Blue Jays swung the biggest trade of the week, with Toronto sending outfielder Teoscar Hernández to Seattle for reliever Erik Swanson and minor-league pitcher Adam Macko, a move that saves the Jays some cash and frees up a 40-man spot for Seattle while filling one of their outfield corner spots.

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Hernández has found his level as an average everyday corner outfielder, providing power and hard contact, walking once a week, and playing below-average defense in right even with a strong arm. The Mariners have a place for him with Mitch Haniger likely leaving as a free agent and perhaps Jesse Winker heading out in a trade this winter, and managed to fill that spot without giving up a top prospect or making a long-term commitment. Hernández’s breakout season in 2021 produced over 4 WAR, but he slid back to 2.8 rWAR/2.4 fWAR last year, which looks much more sustainable given his low OBPs and questionable defense. He destroys fastballs and struggles against breaking stuff, which almost feels like a cliché at this point, although the data bears it out — and even today, with pitchers throwing fewer fastballs than ever, a hitter like Hernández can survive just by wrecking them. Baseball Savant’s ratings show him as the fourth-best hitter against four-seamers based on run value last year, behind only Aaron Judge, Yordan Alvarez and Paul Goldschmidt.


The Blue Jays get salary relief, a very good reliever, and a very interesting relief prospect who spent his teenage years in Canada. The major-league reliever is Swanson, who was one of the best relievers in the majors last year, worth 1.8 rWAR/1.7 fWAR in 53.2 innings. There was some good fortune in there, like an extremely high strand rate (85.2 percent, in the top 10 percent of all relievers last year) and a very low HR/FB rate, but he was also just really good at missing bats and throwing strikes. He should be an above-average reliever for the next few years, assuming he stays healthy, and does so for the Jays at a minimal cost.

Left-hander Adam Macko has one of the most interesting backgrounds in pro ball — he was born in Slovakia and began playing there as a kid, then moved briefly to Ireland, then settled in Canada for high school, from where the Mariners drafted him in the seventh round in 2019. He’s had shoulder soreness and other injury trouble the last two years, making just 17 starts between those two seasons, and when he returned to pitch in the Arizona Fall League this year he was 92-95 mph in relief with a grade 55 slider but struggled with strikes. He was already projected as a reliever even before 2022 and I think the continued arm trouble seals it, although he has legitimate upside in that role. He’d be just the third big leaguer ever born in Slovakia, and the first since Slovakia regained its independence in 1992.
That's what I was saying in terms of JK. There is this thing, to make it as a ML hitter comes down to being able to hit a breaking ball. Making it in the majors comes down to wrecking fastballs. And yeah, even if you struggle against breaking stuff you are still going to get fastballs.

Dipoto might not be so in love with defense as some might think

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Re: Trade!!!

Post by D-train » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:17 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:50 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:11 pm
By Keith Law
Nov 16, 2022
27

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The Mariners and Blue Jays swung the biggest trade of the week, with Toronto sending outfielder Teoscar Hernández to Seattle for reliever Erik Swanson and minor-league pitcher Adam Macko, a move that saves the Jays some cash and frees up a 40-man spot for Seattle while filling one of their outfield corner spots.

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Hernández has found his level as an average everyday corner outfielder, providing power and hard contact, walking once a week, and playing below-average defense in right even with a strong arm. The Mariners have a place for him with Mitch Haniger likely leaving as a free agent and perhaps Jesse Winker heading out in a trade this winter, and managed to fill that spot without giving up a top prospect or making a long-term commitment. Hernández’s breakout season in 2021 produced over 4 WAR, but he slid back to 2.8 rWAR/2.4 fWAR last year, which looks much more sustainable given his low OBPs and questionable defense. He destroys fastballs and struggles against breaking stuff, which almost feels like a cliché at this point, although the data bears it out — and even today, with pitchers throwing fewer fastballs than ever, a hitter like Hernández can survive just by wrecking them. Baseball Savant’s ratings show him as the fourth-best hitter against four-seamers based on run value last year, behind only Aaron Judge, Yordan Alvarez and Paul Goldschmidt.


The Blue Jays get salary relief, a very good reliever, and a very interesting relief prospect who spent his teenage years in Canada. The major-league reliever is Swanson, who was one of the best relievers in the majors last year, worth 1.8 rWAR/1.7 fWAR in 53.2 innings. There was some good fortune in there, like an extremely high strand rate (85.2 percent, in the top 10 percent of all relievers last year) and a very low HR/FB rate, but he was also just really good at missing bats and throwing strikes. He should be an above-average reliever for the next few years, assuming he stays healthy, and does so for the Jays at a minimal cost.

Left-hander Adam Macko has one of the most interesting backgrounds in pro ball — he was born in Slovakia and began playing there as a kid, then moved briefly to Ireland, then settled in Canada for high school, from where the Mariners drafted him in the seventh round in 2019. He’s had shoulder soreness and other injury trouble the last two years, making just 17 starts between those two seasons, and when he returned to pitch in the Arizona Fall League this year he was 92-95 mph in relief with a grade 55 slider but struggled with strikes. He was already projected as a reliever even before 2022 and I think the continued arm trouble seals it, although he has legitimate upside in that role. He’d be just the third big leaguer ever born in Slovakia, and the first since Slovakia regained its independence in 1992.
That's what I was saying in terms of JK. There is this thing, to make it as a ML hitter comes down to being able to hit a breaking ball. Making it in the majors comes down to wrecking fastballs. And yeah, even if you struggle against breaking stuff you are still going to get fastballs.

Dipoto might not be so in love with defense as some might think
Sure but you can't go like 1 for 50 vs. breakers either like JK has.

Yes, encouraging trade on multiple levels.....
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Re: Trade!!!

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Re: Trade!!!

Post by AZOldDawg » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:27 pm

This appears to be a great add but as long as Winkie the Pooh and JK the mental midget are in the picture I'm squeamish.

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Re: Trade!!!

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:29 pm

Seattle is stealing pages from the St. Louis Cardinals playback. The Cards went out and got Arrenado and Goldschmidt. Seattle goes and grabs Suarez, Winker, Castillo, and Hernández. Recognizing the right talent with proven track records and hope to make them fall in love with the city.

It's hard for me to believe that we'll be landing one of the 4 premier SS. I think Dipoto's got something else up his sleeve. I think the bidding is going to get too rich for his blood.

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