The Proverbial Question

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:21 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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If Stanton felt public opinion had turned against him I could see him scapegoating dipoto. It be along the lines of them firing Servais. There was dancing in the streets but what did it get us, another carbon copy manager. And really I think the game management aspect is pretty small, replacing Servais with Wilson didn't change a thing. What they lost was a guy that's respected around the league for his player development abilities. All that's changed is the padres scooping Servais up to fill that role

Player development as a manager?

Mallex Smith, Braden Bishop, Shed Long, Evan White, Jake Fraley, Jarred Kelenic, Abraham Toro, Sam Haggerty, Taylor Trammell, Jake Bauers, Donny Walton, Dom Canzone, Cade Marlowe... all say hello.
Nelson Cruz, he had practically washed out of baseball before he began working with Servais
“I have to be thankful for what he did for my career. I think he’s one of those guys who turned my career around,” Cruz said. “I remember when I went to Triple-A that year, he came the first day, we started working right away. He showed me a few videos of a few guys that had looked like me – Carlos Lee, Derek Lee – and he tried to implement that stance on a new guy.”
Hey great, how long ago was that? and was he the manager?

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 am

It was when he was with the Rangers, not sure what your point is, Servais doesn't know what he's doing or player development isn't important as a baseball manager?

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Double Mocha Man » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:05 am

Sheesh! I could have managed the Mariners to a 1-64 record. Dan, in the same mold as Mr. Servais, needs to go. Nice guy. But we need a manager with fire in his belly for a change. Lou, are you available? Or is the Shag deal too lucrative?
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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:10 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 am
It was when he was with the Rangers, not sure what your point is, Servais doesn't know what he's doing or player development isn't important as a baseball manager?
The point is he had a player development role in the minors.

That doesn't mean shit in terms of being a good manager at the major league level.

And if "player development" was what he was supposed to thrive at as a manager, he was pretty freakin bad at it.

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:50 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:10 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 am
It was when he was with the Rangers, not sure what your point is, Servais doesn't know what he's doing or player development isn't important as a baseball manager?
The point is he had a player development role in the minors.

That doesn't mean shit in terms of being a good manager at the major league level.

And if "player development" was what he was supposed to thrive at as a manager, he was pretty freakin bad at it.
I disagree, in my opinion filling out lineup cards is the tip of the iceberg in terms of a managers responsibilities. They are always working on development. They are actively involved in who's promoted or sent down. And they're expectef to continue the development when a prospect is promoted to the majors. I should probably give Dan more credit, he has been involved in the minors up until his promotion

The mariners have developed a few players, Cal Raleigh comes to mind. If Servais was considered bad at it I doubt A.J. Peller gives him a job continuing to do it

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:05 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:50 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:10 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 am
It was when he was with the Rangers, not sure what your point is, Servais doesn't know what he's doing or player development isn't important as a baseball manager?
The point is he had a player development role in the minors.

That doesn't mean shit in terms of being a good manager at the major league level.

And if "player development" was what he was supposed to thrive at as a manager, he was pretty freakin bad at it.
I disagree, in my opinion filling out lineup cards is the tip of the iceberg in terms of a managers responsibilities. They are always working on development. They are actively involved in who's promoted or sent down. And they're expectef to continue the development when a prospect is promoted to the majors. I should probably give Dan more credit, he has been involved in the minors up until his promotion

The mariners have developed a few players, Cal Raleigh comes to mind. If Servais was considered bad at it I doubt A.J. Peller gives him a job continuing to do it
Just because he was given a job in player development in the minors doesn't mean he was good at player development as a manager.

It seems Cal is a better player now that Servais is gone... hmmm...

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:18 am

How about the pitching

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Gametime » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:44 am

Dipoto literally has chosen all the players and manager. The fault is clear

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by bpj » Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:52 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:18 am
How about the pitching
Mariners pitching has the #17 ERA in baseball and that's with T-Mobile as their home park.

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Re: The Proverbial Question

Post by Southpaw773 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:09 am

289 runs scored
300 runs allowed, a -11 RD while Houston is +21.
And now Sea-dull is back to .500 and probably 12 games out by the all star break.

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