Dem. Primary 2nd Stop - New Hampshire

[DanielVogelbach]

The libs are whacked in the head, has nothing to do with conservatives or anyone in between.

We already have a basic income in this country. Its ZERO, and it's exactly what you lazy f**** deserve just for being alive- NOTHING.

You're choosing a confrontational view. Not good for moving forward, great for staying stuck in our current rut.

Number one way to agitate a conservative is to call them racist.

Number one way to agitate a liberal is to call them lazy.

Why?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I haven't seen the supposed results you attribute to Yang's plan coming out of the welfare system. It didn't have a positive cultural impact and encouraged destructive things like children born to unmarried parents. It was great at creating dependency on government, though, and securing votes for the party that pushed it.

[D-train]

Rush brings up the Elephant in the room.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics ... index.html

[DanielVogelbach]

I haven't seen the supposed results you attribute to Yang's plan coming out of the welfare system. It didn't have a positive cultural impact and encouraged destructive things like children born to unmarried parents. It was great at creating dependency on government, though, and securing votes for the party that pushed it.

When you contrast UBI versus the current welfare system, the benefits become even more clear.

"UBI encourages people to find work. Many current welfare programs take away benefits when recipients find work, sometimes leaving them financially worse off than before they were employed. UBI is for all adults, regardless of employment status, so recipients are free to seek additional income, which most everyone does."

"UBI increases entrepreneurship because it provides for basic needs in the early lean days of a company and acts as a safety net if the business fails. It also gives you more consumers to sell to because everyone has more disposable income. The Roosevelt Institute found that a UBI would create 4.6 million jobs and grow the economy by 12 percent continuously. UBI would be the greatest catalyst for new jobs, entrepreneurship, and creativity we have ever seen."

The reason conservatives and capitalists are more open to UBI versus other programs is because everyone gets it. Sure, $12k will help you a lot more if you're unemployed. But, even someone making a high salary can still use the $12k for something, whereas basically ALL other programs have stipulations like you must be a student or broke or disabled. The other programs also carry high administrative costs where UBI has extremely low administrative costs.

[DanielVogelbach]

Rush brings up the Elephant in the room.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics ... index.html

Interesting...

"In a Gallup poll conducted released earlier this month, more than 3 in 4 Americans (78%) said they would vote for a gay person to be president. While that number was lower than those who said they would vote for a Catholic (96%) or a woman (93%), it was higher than the number who said they would vote for someone over 70 (69%) or a socialist (45%)."

I would think that someone who would never vote for a gay person is probably a staunch Republican anyway. I don't think sexual orientation will have much impact with moderates, independents, or Democrats.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I haven't seen the supposed results you attribute to Yang's plan coming out of the welfare system. It didn't have a positive cultural impact and encouraged destructive things like children born to unmarried parents. It was great at creating dependency on government, though, and securing votes for the party that pushed it.

When you contrast UBI versus the current welfare system, the benefits become even more clear.

"UBI encourages people to find work. Many current welfare programs take away benefits when recipients find work, sometimes leaving them financially worse off than before they were employed. UBI is for all adults, regardless of employment status, so recipients are free to seek additional income, which most everyone does."

"UBI increases entrepreneurship because it provides for basic needs in the early lean days of a company and acts as a safety net if the business fails. It also gives you more consumers to sell to because everyone has more disposable income. The Roosevelt Institute found that a UBI would create 4.6 million jobs and grow the economy by 12 percent continuously. UBI would be the greatest catalyst for new jobs, entrepreneurship, and creativity we have ever seen."

The reason conservatives and capitalists are more open to UBI versus other programs is because everyone gets it. Sure, $12k will help you a lot more if you're unemployed. But, even someone making a high salary can still use the $12k for something, whereas basically ALL other programs have stipulations like you must be a student or broke or disabled. The other programs also carry high administrative costs where UBI has extremely low administrative costs.

And of course the $3 trillion per year is all going to be paid for by the massive economic growth it would spark. GTFOOH.

[bpj]

The libs are whacked in the head, has nothing to do with conservatives or anyone in between.

We already have a basic income in this country. Its ZERO, and it's exactly what you lazy f**** deserve just for being alive- NOTHING.

You're choosing a confrontational view. Not good for moving forward, great for staying stuck in our current rut.

Number one way to agitate a conservative is to call them racist.

Number one way to agitate a liberal is to call them lazy.

Why?

We're on our way out of a rut caused by a reverse-racist president THANKS to Trump. Our police will again become revered. Our government, in the end, will be able to be trusted again. No thanks to the divisive liberals, same ones who rip up speeches and delay important policy like the angry geriatric douchnozzles that they are.

The only thing not going liberals way is Trump is taking away food stamps for bums who refuse to work, taking away endless unemployment benefits from the same bums. GET A JOB YA BUM.

THAT'S where a universal income will come from. Nobody should "not have a job" because you need to earn what you eat and where you sleep.

If not, the woods and sidewalks are calling your name. Right where they deserve.

[DanielVogelbach]

We're on our way out of a rut caused by a reverse-racist president THANKS to Trump. Our police will again become revered. Our government, in the end, will be able to be trusted again. No thanks to the divisive liberals, same ones who rip up speeches and delay important policy like the angry geriatric douchnozzles that they are.

The only thing not going liberals way is Trump is taking away food stamps for bums who refuse to work, taking away endless unemployment benefits from the same bums. GET A JOB YA BUM.

THAT'S where a universal income will come from. Nobody should "not have a job" because you need to earn what you eat and where you sleep.

If not, the woods and sidewalks are calling your name. Right where they deserve.

You're stuck in that Us vs. Them dichotomy. I've been there before.

[DanielVogelbach]

"Our labor participation rate now is only 62.7% – lower than it has been in decades, with 1 out of 5 working-age men currently out of the workforce. This will get much worse as self-driving cars and other technologies come online."

Donald Trump is not fixing any of this.... But, he was elected because of it.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

So while we"'ve had record numbers of jobs created the past couple years the labor participaton rate is going down. Dream on....