Breaking: DK requests a trade

[Michael K.]

the one thing DK can do consistently far better than anyone available is put the holy terror in the minds of opposing DCs for his deep threat, requiring special game planning every week. That rarity is what i'm hoping most in for a solid draft capital return.

It cracks me up that half of the people defending DK say that he is always open and Geno just doesn't get him the ball...then there are comments like this about how the DC is rolling coverage to him out of fear. Which is it? Which one of the built in excuses lead him to be 50th in catches, 35th in yards and 60th in TDs, despite being the scariest man on the field?

I realize this isn't just a Seattle fan issue, but when are we every going to hold anyone accountable for their own production? Hitters suck, it has to be the manager making the wrong batting order or the Hitting Coach sucks. WR doesn't put up numbers? It's the OC and QB's fault, despite the fact that the other guy put up All Pro numbers. O Line sucks for a decade? Fire the OC. It's constant here. DK was below average last year. That's on him!

[Donn Beach]

I think Seaside Joe sees this like I do, this isn't about Geno, this is about money.

We saw this day coming for months, if not years. DK Metcalf requested a trade on Wednesday for the very simple reason that he signed a three-year extension in 2022 with the intention to become a free agent again before he turns 30. Because receivers of DK’s caliber always ask for an extension before the final year of a contract, it was written in the stars since the beginning that March of 2025 would be the point of ultimatum:

“PAY ME OR TRADE ME!”

https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/seahawks-t ... ors-market

[auroraave]

the one thing DK can do consistently far better than anyone available is put the holy terror in the minds of opposing DCs for his deep threat, requiring special game planning every week. That rarity is what i'm hoping most in for a solid draft capital return.

It cracks me up that half of the people defending DK say that he is always open and Geno just doesn't get him the ball...then there are comments like this about how the DC is rolling coverage to him out of fear. Which is it? Which one of the built in excuses lead him to be 50th in catches, 35th in yards and 60th in TDs, despite being the scariest man on the field?

I realize this isn't just a Seattle fan issue, but when are we every going to hold anyone accountable for their own production? Hitters suck, it has to be the manager making the wrong batting order or the Hitting Coach sucks. WR doesn't put up numbers? It's the OC and QB's fault, despite the fact that the other guy put up All Pro numbers. O Line sucks for a decade? Fire the OC. It's constant here. DK was below average last year. That's on him!

DK has been the number one asset for a few seasons now. Any competent DC is literally going to scheme to stop the opposing offense's top asset. Are you suggesting different? Posting DK's stats as some measure of lack of production ignores that, and the fact that JSN's numbers skyrocketed - because Lockett's skills were diminishing and DK was the focus of the defense. You can't just post stats and ignore ALL context. You have to throw him the ball for him to catch it. If he's double covered or blanketed - you don't want your QB to throw that way - which Geno didn't - thus reducing him to 'only' almost 1000 yards - which is still pretty good. I HATE when people cut and paste stats and ignore all context. JSN's production increase is the real story, not DK sucking or under producing - as well as Geno recognizing this and acting accordingly.

That's not in defense of metcalf - just pointing out what should be obvious. I am fine moving on from him - his production can be replaced for much cheaper and the reality is this team isn't going anywhere anytime soon so it's best to gut the team, acquire more assets and draft capital and build for the future.

[Gametime]

the one thing DK can do consistently far better than anyone available is put the holy terror in the minds of opposing DCs for his deep threat, requiring special game planning every week. That rarity is what i'm hoping most in for a solid draft capital return.

It cracks me up that half of the people defending DK say that he is always open and Geno just doesn't get him the ball...then there are comments like this about how the DC is rolling coverage to him out of fear. Which is it? Which one of the built in excuses lead him to be 50th in catches, 35th in yards and 60th in TDs, despite being the scariest man on the field?

I realize this isn't just a Seattle fan issue, but when are we every going to hold anyone accountable for their own production? Hitters suck, it has to be the manager making the wrong batting order or the Hitting Coach sucks. WR doesn't put up numbers? It's the OC and QB's fault, despite the fact that the other guy put up All Pro numbers. O Line sucks for a decade? Fire the OC. It's constant here. DK was below average last year. That's on him!

DK has been the number one asset for a few seasons now. Any competent DC is literally going to scheme to stop the opposing offense's top asset. Are you suggesting different? Posting DK's stats as some measure of lack of production ignores that, and the fact that JSN's numbers skyrocketed - because Lockett's skills were diminishing and DK was the focus of the defense. You can't just post stats and ignore ALL context. You have to throw him the ball for him to catch it. If he's double covered or blanketed - you don't want your QB to throw that way - which Geno didn't - thus reducing him to 'only' almost 1000 yards - which is still pretty good. I HATE when people cut and paste stats and ignore all context. JSN's production increase is the real story, not DK sucking or under producing - as well as Geno recognizing this and acting accordingly.

That's not in defense of metcalf - just pointing out what should be obvious. I am fine moving on from him - his production can be replaced for much cheaper and the reality is this team isn't going anywhere anytime soon so it's best to gut the team, acquire more assets and draft capital and build for the future.

You are correct, Hugh Millen has explained this over and over and over. Inept OC just made this even worse. Not to mention Geno and his issues with anticipation. But, Hugh has done such a great job explaining why JSN got so open while the defense was totally focuses on DK.

[Michael K.]

the one thing DK can do consistently far better than anyone available is put the holy terror in the minds of opposing DCs for his deep threat, requiring special game planning every week. That rarity is what i'm hoping most in for a solid draft capital return.

It cracks me up that half of the people defending DK say that he is always open and Geno just doesn't get him the ball...then there are comments like this about how the DC is rolling coverage to him out of fear. Which is it? Which one of the built in excuses lead him to be 50th in catches, 35th in yards and 60th in TDs, despite being the scariest man on the field?

I realize this isn't just a Seattle fan issue, but when are we every going to hold anyone accountable for their own production? Hitters suck, it has to be the manager making the wrong batting order or the Hitting Coach sucks. WR doesn't put up numbers? It's the OC and QB's fault, despite the fact that the other guy put up All Pro numbers. O Line sucks for a decade? Fire the OC. It's constant here. DK was below average last year. That's on him!

DK has been the number one asset for a few seasons now. Any competent DC is literally going to scheme to stop the opposing offense's top asset. Are you suggesting different? Posting DK's stats as some measure of lack of production ignores that, and the fact that JSN's numbers skyrocketed - because Lockett's skills were diminishing and DK was the focus of the defense. You can't just post stats and ignore ALL context. You have to throw him the ball for him to catch it. If he's double covered or blanketed - you don't want your QB to throw that way - which Geno didn't - thus reducing him to 'only' almost 1000 yards - which is still pretty good. I HATE when people cut and paste stats and ignore all context. JSN's production increase is the real story, not DK sucking or under producing - as well as Geno recognizing this and acting accordingly.

That's not in defense of metcalf - just pointing out what should be obvious. I am fine moving on from him - his production can be replaced for much cheaper and the reality is this team isn't going anywhere anytime soon so it's best to gut the team, acquire more assets and draft capital and build for the future.

How did I ignore all context? So, in your opinion, Grubb and Geno hated DK so they decided to get the ball to JSN all the time, even though, in your eyes, DK is the far superior player? When you watched the game, did you see a guy that was far superior? He suffered from drops, he ran the wrong route, he ran lazy routes, he fumbled the football, he committed dumb penalties. Jesus, you can ignore stats, but how is it other Star WRs seem to figure out a way to get open? The excuse making is incredible. The guy is not a great route runner, not even a great WR or football player. He is a physical specimen that everyone fell in love with because he looks like Super Man. Problem is many times he plays like Clark Kent. He wasn't double covered all the time, many times he was open, and the ball went to where he was SUPPOSED to be. The result was a punt or worse, and INT. He had a bad year, and that isn't all on Geno or the OC or other DCs figuring out how to eliminate him. The same guys that couldn't do it to JJ, Chase, St Brown, CD or even JSN!

So, in your own words, JSN is the guy, but non of us should believe that means DK isn't the guy? JSN is a football player, a WR that runs great routes. DK is a track star that is built like a body builder, and was a feel good story, Pete took his shirt off, blah blah. DK has been loved and adored here ever since. The production hasn't matched the fan fare, IMO.

[Michael K.]

You are correct, Hugh Millen has explained this over and over and over. Inept OC just made this even worse. Not to mention Geno and his issues with anticipation. But, Hugh has done such a great job explaining why JSN got so open while the defense was totally focuses on DK.

Name the last time Hugh fucking MIllen didn't rip an OC or QB here?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

One thing that i would have liked to see is DK being used in end arounds (and kickoff returns). But when half of your O line gets pushed 10 feet into the backfield within 2 seconds of the snap i guess that wouldn't have worked out too well.

[douche]

Of course, all it takes is one idiot GM.

And there are more than one of those in the league.

[Michael K.]

One thing that i would have liked to see is DK being used in end arounds (and kickoff returns). But when half of your O line gets pushed 10 feet into the backfield within 2 seconds of the snap i guess that wouldn't have worked out too well.

There has to be a reason they don't, because it's not like it's just one coaching staff that didn't use him that way. Wasn't he here for Schotty, Waldron and Grubb? Or was it just Waldron and Grubb? I would guess that it's his running style...he might be straight line fast, but not all that shifty, like a Debo or JSN.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Also the rule changes with where coverage units line up on kick-offs makes them more like punts now. Prior to that, guys with straight line speed could be successful with it as long as they weren't afraid of contact. One guy that comes to mind is Ron Brown from back in the 80s.